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I was reading this post in Beyond BT. [I really was working on the Hellerstein essay....My outline alone is onto page 3. So I might just start writing even before outlining story #2...] It asks us whether or not we*'ve been complacent in finding a Rav (a Rabbi, a spiritual guide).

I never really went on such an active search, but I think Rabbi Mike has become my "Rav," though I'm sure he would not like the title of "Rav."

Lately I've been going to him with all of my questions of faith. I think it started with the whole ethnography I did on him, [which got me an A/B, but I still got an A in that class, and it was totally worth it] which just increased the amount of respect that I have for him.

And then there was the whole discussion where he told me that my Jewish identity was more complex than could be defined by just one movement. And I didn't want to believe him, but he was right.

And then I realized that him and I have similar ideaologies and practices. Well, he davens daily and I don't [though I should], but in terms of kashrut and shabbat [he might be a bit more makil on things such as bikes...] and what type of shul would be ideal to daven in- egal with a me[tri]chitza. CJC totally needs to try the trichitza. The biggest section would be egal, but we could have a low divider making a defined women's only section and a defined men's only section. Because even when I stand in the back or on the side, males still wander past me. And then I have to stand for the entire service, and that gets tiring.

Of course, in some cases where I want the stricter answer [for whatever reason] I'll go to Seif. Like with fasting and stuff. Though of course, even he told me not to fast ta'anit esther. Bah.

So the big question:
-What would have happened if I had just stayed in the realm of Conservative and never became Orthodox? Would I be on the path to becoming a Conservative Rabbi? Would that be better than me being an Archaeologist?

I tend to think that Archaeology is the better idea. It's the only career I've found that makes me as excited as being a Reform Rabbi used to make me. I then have the flexibility of being more observant than your given Conservative congregation (covering my hair when I get married, keeping tzniut, etc...). And I like working outside, and incorporating all types of knowledge (history, forensics, art...) And I always could lead services, because you don't need to be a Rabbi, and I like shuls where different people lead on a weekly basis much better than those where only the Rabbi leads. It allows for a stronger, more Jewishly knowledgable congregation. And then there's variety. And it can be a small group of young people, like JitW. And there are no temple politics to deal with in archaeology (though there are academic politics...)

*"we" in this case meaning ba'alei teshuva

Re: Trichizta

Date: 2006-05-10 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superducky1.livejournal.com
Actually, I think I asked her if I could daven there once, for Kabbalat Shabbat. She said absolutely not.

Care to rephrase that one for me?

Re: Trichizta

Date: 2006-05-10 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] levana-b.livejournal.com
I dont know what the deal with Kabbalat Shabbat is, though I'm fairly sure our teachers are against Shira Chadasha as well. My dad loves Sh"Ch, though, so I don't know. So, while I'm sure they do believe everything they say and that they would never daven there, I don't know how much of it is them purposely not sharing a meikiler opinion in order to protect us.

Re: Trichizta

Date: 2006-05-10 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arctic-alpine.livejournal.com
if your referring to Brovenders teachers, Im pretty such the Klitzners are founding members of Shira Chadasha

Re: Trichizta

Date: 2006-05-10 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] levana-b.livejournal.com
Well, I was referring to three teachers in particular whose names I shall not mention since, while I doubt this is lashon hara, it could very well turn into that.

Re: Trichizta

Date: 2006-05-11 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superducky1.livejournal.com
Rav Klitsner was verrry different than any of our other teachers. Very. Except the whole being Shomer Torah U'Mitzvot thing. THAT they all generally tended to agree on. LOL.

Re: Trichizta

Date: 2006-05-11 07:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] levana-b.livejournal.com
Which kinda just goes to show that, despite attempting to present a uniform front, orthodoxy really does have some diverse aspects to it.
Real question, why didn't you ask R' Klitsner your kabbalat shabbat question?

Re: Trichizta

Date: 2006-05-11 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alanscottevil.livejournal.com
Um...
I grew up Orthodox. Nobody ever tried to present a uniform front about anything! That was like the *Definition* of Orthodoxy -- we have halacha, so we have sanctioned diversity. 70 panim latorah and all that.

Re: Trichizta

Date: 2006-05-11 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sen-ichi-rei.livejournal.com
Except that 69 of them are assur. Just like your mom...

Re: Trichizta

Date: 2006-05-11 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alanscottevil.livejournal.com
lol. your mom's *face* is assur (she's the 71st panim)

Re: Trichizta

Date: 2006-05-11 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] levana-b.livejournal.com
I meant to the outside world

Re: Trichizta

Date: 2006-05-11 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alanscottevil.livejournal.com
hm that wasn't part of my experience either

Re: Trichizta

Date: 2006-05-11 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] levana-b.livejournal.com
That was the impression I got. I also kinda got the impression that orthodoxy is a lot more tolerant of your interpretation if you're going to be more stringent, but that might just be the cynic in me speaking

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